tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post3546257055988019723..comments2023-12-03T08:13:24.652-08:00Comments on Fat of the Land: Empty Buckets?Langdon Cookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-34701670575919252802013-04-01T07:38:42.757-07:002013-04-01T07:38:42.757-07:00Mojourner - I agree 100%. The rangers, forest serv...Mojourner - I agree 100%. The rangers, forest service personnel, state parks folks, etc. are not the problem (though individuals such as Micah wrote of need a reality check). Regulations are a necessary part of civilized society; no one disputes that. And anyone planning to take commercial quantities of forest products out of the woods should be properly permitted. But what about the guy out for Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-64764944514908264702013-03-31T22:45:59.674-07:002013-03-31T22:45:59.674-07:00A couple of things about regs and passes to think ...A couple of things about regs and passes to think about. Without the regs, rangers have no way to crack down on abusers. Unless you have a tribal treaty right to gather, it is fair that your take be limited, unless you are willing to pay for a commercial license, in which case you should expect to be held to a high standard. <br /><br />I pay $80/year for a federal land passs and $35/year for a Mojournerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08690572315325358499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-87244076399979915122013-03-31T07:45:24.296-07:002013-03-31T07:45:24.296-07:00AndrewM - It is indeed a crazy-quilt of regulation...AndrewM - It is indeed a crazy-quilt of regulations btwn local, state, and federal jurisdictions (plus rez). It's up to the mushroom hunter to be aware of the rules in each area. Unfortunately, it would seem that many states and municipalities are following California's "museum under glass" approach to the natural world. Here in WA I need to have no fewer than three window Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-46303891620219556822013-03-30T09:03:33.800-07:002013-03-30T09:03:33.800-07:00I concur on the local authorities-having-justice s...I concur on the local authorities-having-justice should be the policy setters. They're the ones who know the land, ecosystems, and issues. They're also local to the users who can monitor the AHJ actions and have input on a balanced approach.<br /><br />But on the 3rd hand, you end up with a quilt of policies & permits. <br /><br />USFS in WA already has different regs for districts AndrewMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07373428764180673188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-91132158587895107462013-03-29T08:20:48.798-07:002013-03-29T08:20:48.798-07:00Langdon, it was disturbing, but I didn't say a...Langdon, it was disturbing, but I didn't say anything about the folders, just that I could only speak for myself, and that I am a very careful wildcrafter, and he'd be hard pressed to find any evidence I'd been in a place picking.<br /><br />I haven't run in to many other rangers in this area, so I don't know how they are, but I agree that generally, in my experience elsewhereMicahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-86211783583508042072013-03-28T12:51:05.375-07:002013-03-28T12:51:05.375-07:00Jeremy - I hate to hear that. There's much to...Jeremy - I hate to hear that. There's much to admire about commercial pickers, but I've also seen plenty of examples of what you speak of. One of my favorite nearby chanterelle patches--really, just a neighborhood patch not far from civilization--was picked clean by a commercial crew, who left the telltale wads of toilet paper all over the woods. (They were probably dropped off by a crewLangdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-75964356664664571802013-03-28T11:56:27.403-07:002013-03-28T11:56:27.403-07:00I personally, severely dislike having to get permi...I personally, severely dislike having to get permits, and that has limited some of my picking in the past in some areas. But then, I saw the damage that commercial picking could do when the Matsutake became worth big dollars in the early 90's. My families patch that we had picked for generations was "raked" and basically destroyed for several years/decades by commercial pickers. Jeremy McKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106080426793734301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-26284119385207079532013-03-28T09:39:01.849-07:002013-03-28T09:39:01.849-07:00Micah - that's very annoying that the ranger w...Micah - that's very annoying that the ranger was getting on your case for a little collecting. I doubt that's very common. I worked for the Sweet Home ranger district in the Cascades for three years, and everyone there was very positive about collectors/hikers/campers. Most employees were using the woods in this manner themselves, and the district went out of its way to organize differentadminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605428127471399424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-44752942018719167702013-03-28T08:38:16.454-07:002013-03-28T08:38:16.454-07:00Micah - Thanks for your comments. That's reall...Micah - Thanks for your comments. That's really disturbing. Did you point out the hypocrisy to the ranger. Education is a two-way street and they need to hear from us. I'm a mountain biker too and well aware of the footprint this user group can bring to the land, which is why mtn bike clubs all over the country have worked to improve trails, fix erosion, etc. I'm sure myco societies Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-21092436980240337222013-03-28T08:18:30.777-07:002013-03-28T08:18:30.777-07:00Around here, at least (Southern OR coast), the per...Around here, at least (Southern OR coast), the permit situation has gone back and forth a couple of times since I've been collecting.<br /><br />When I first moved here, permits were required for everyone, with the personal use ones being free, but you did have to go in person to get one. Then, last year, they dropped that and said only commercial pickers had to get permits, I didn't needMicahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-18644206457661888782013-03-28T07:36:03.531-07:002013-03-28T07:36:03.531-07:00Sandy - I hear you! The Giff regs rub me the wrong...Sandy - I hear you! The Giff regs rub me the wrong way, too. I'd like to know more about what their goals are with these rules. Is it sustainability? If so, then show me data suggesting that rec mushroom hunting can be unsustainable. Is it about protecting certain sensitive habitats? Then how about regulating an area smaller than an entire National Forest that can actually be monitored.<br />Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-41727380816343764772013-03-27T22:41:55.624-07:002013-03-27T22:41:55.624-07:00This is a tough issue. I personally can't stan...This is a tough issue. I personally can't stand regulations and permits, (hence one of the reasons we moved to northern Idaho), but I can understand the reasons for trying to manage the use of public lands to a degree, especially in high use areas. Those kind of areas are the ones I try to shy away from anyhow. I figure if I am going to be out foraging,I might as well do it somewhere peacefulGenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797573058057503636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-71291134131839598082013-03-27T21:34:31.188-07:002013-03-27T21:34:31.188-07:00from the USDA website: "You must pick up your...from the USDA website: "You must pick up your free permit in person from any Gifford Pinchot National Forest Office. The Forest does not issue free use permits over the web, by telephone, by email or by fax."<br /><br />All fine and good, except the offices open Mon-Fri during peak fall mushroom season, when a lot of us are at work...!sandynoreply@blogger.com