tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post3892742949574158014..comments2023-12-03T08:13:24.652-08:00Comments on Fat of the Land: A Sad RecordLangdon Cookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-33146237876821996282009-03-17T16:09:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:09:00.000-07:00Ted, believe me, I do more for conservation effort...Ted, believe me, I do more for conservation efforts than posting links on my blog, including volunteer work, paid employment, sitting on boards, testifying, writing letters, etc. That said, I could be doing more.Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-35875803827768583042009-03-17T14:41:00.000-07:002009-03-17T14:41:00.000-07:00So your arguemnt for writing:"Those who hunt and f...So your arguemnt for writing:<BR/><BR/>"Those who hunt and fish only to adorn their walls with "trophies" should skip the "manly arts" altogether and turn directly to the back of the classifieds for ads on penis enlargement surgery."<BR/><BR/>is that you are trying to affect some sort of change to the "edifice of social morality?" Sorry LC, but that statement is just a heap of judgement against Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-88032737466019414802009-03-17T12:07:00.000-07:002009-03-17T12:07:00.000-07:00Heather - We're in a fix b/c the hatcheries have t...Heather - We're in a fix b/c the hatcheries have their own problems, an issue that I didn't even address in this post. The days of keeping *any* salmon and steelhead could be limited unless we right this ship...<BR/><BR/>Peabody - Amen.<BR/><BR/>Mdmnm - Thanks for the comments. I've changed "ultimately" to "only" in that graph about trophies to correct any ambiguity. As you inferred, my point is Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-26218203318006126582009-03-17T09:54:00.000-07:002009-03-17T09:54:00.000-07:00Langdon-Various random thoughts:Good on you for r...Langdon-<BR/><BR/>Various random thoughts:<BR/><BR/>Good on you for recognizing catch and release as a blood sport. Like you, the numbers I've seen on artificial lure fishing mortality have run 4 or 5% for catch and release. So, one of every twenty fish you catch is dead. <BR/><BR/>"Fly-fishermen in particular are deemed elitist." Unfortunately, they often are and sometimes without cause. mdmnmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00191436711956580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-85681189021879238692009-03-17T09:29:00.000-07:002009-03-17T09:29:00.000-07:00It is sad that it becomes a trophy. I am one for h...It is sad that it becomes a trophy. I am one for hunting/fishing for use as a food source, not a prize.Peabodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16153432137711301559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-10412895213928336752009-03-17T08:27:00.000-07:002009-03-17T08:27:00.000-07:00I always figure all wild salmonids are a no-go. Ev...I always figure all wild salmonids are a no-go. Even my dad (redneck he is) respects wild fisheries and will only keep hatchery fish. He also eats his catch, which is half the reason he hauls them out in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Good on you for taking a position and sharing it. Too many people are afraid to ruffle feathers.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630354073303047529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-86487577631949630562009-03-16T15:28:00.000-07:002009-03-16T15:28:00.000-07:00Ted, thanks for chiming in. You may be right, but ...Ted, thanks for chiming in. You may be right, but let's not forget that the entire edifice of social morality (above and beyond fishing) is built on eons-old debates, so I say have at it. BTW, I included links to the Wild Steelhead Coalition and Wild Salmon Center for those who want to "actually take an action" besides fomenting about it.Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-27369601453045621402009-03-16T14:59:00.000-07:002009-03-16T14:59:00.000-07:00Since actually taking an action and working to cha...Since actually taking an action and working to change the state regs is much harder than just complaining about what this guy did, it is not surprising how many email complaits/comments this incident has received on the web. <BR/><BR/>The reality is that this fisherman's actions were legal under the state's fishing regulations. For that reason, it is my feeling that any compliant anyone may have Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-82437630396502672032009-03-16T09:22:00.000-07:002009-03-16T09:22:00.000-07:00Well I am all for catch and eat hatchery fish whic...Well I am all for catch and eat hatchery fish which I've caught and eaten plenty myself, but any time I've ever landed a wild fish of this size I've ALWAYS released it. And yes, I landed a 33 pound Atlantic salmon on an eight weight that I released after photographing it. Chinook salmon as well.<BR/><BR/>I don't know that I can remember ever having landed a fish that was hooked in the corner of ladyflyfshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715911521612368967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-56604350566786253172009-03-15T19:24:00.000-07:002009-03-15T19:24:00.000-07:00Envirocap - No hard feelings at all. In posting th...Envirocap - No hard feelings at all. In posting this I knew I was inviting a spectrum of opinions on what is, let's face it, an emotional issue. You're right about my not-quite-correct analogy: shooting a tiger is illegal while killing a wild steelhead on the Hoh River is not. This is why I took pains not to dwell on the angler in question and instead outlined my own view. As for c-n-r, I do Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-81996236718568936602009-03-15T18:48:00.000-07:002009-03-15T18:48:00.000-07:00PS. don't take me as negative I am just very argum...PS. don't take me as negative I am just very argumentative, I have you as required reading on my blog.R. Gabe Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18044107159186060882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-91350660531578716382009-03-15T18:44:00.000-07:002009-03-15T18:44:00.000-07:00"One wonders if these same "sportsmen" would leap ..."One wonders if these same "sportsmen" would leap at the chance to legally take one of the last Siberian tigers or Javan rhinos." This is the statement from your post that leads me to people throwing other outdoorsman under the bus I wished to opine that even if we don't understand why we as fisherman want to pursue the experience the way we do we should support anyone who is not breaking the lawR. Gabe Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18044107159186060882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-983753408941679642009-03-15T18:09:00.000-07:002009-03-15T18:09:00.000-07:00Farmer, good to hear from you again. Have you ben ...Farmer, good to hear from you again. Have you ben fishing?Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-67595026757471700282009-03-15T18:08:00.000-07:002009-03-15T18:08:00.000-07:00Thanks for your input Envirocap, but may I ask you...Thanks for your input Envirocap, but may I ask you to try a little harder to understand those of us who c-n-r? After all, we number in the millions, so we're not an insignificant part of the fishing community, and contrary to your generalization about us "throwing you under the bus," we're largely responsible for the wild fish and riparian protections you enjoy today through organizations such asLangdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-48664261427781320152009-03-15T17:56:00.000-07:002009-03-15T17:56:00.000-07:00I strongly agree with the idea that wild fish shou...I strongly agree with the idea that wild fish should be off limits...<BR/><BR/>And as for mounting instead of eating... well... I'd like to take the trophy down and slap him with it... <BR/><BR/>Cheers -<BR/><BR/>Farmer<BR/>www.farmerdeville.comFarmer de Villehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16470509613904492592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5570890979467369384.post-792499584120596412009-03-15T13:45:00.000-07:002009-03-15T13:45:00.000-07:00If a fishery is in trouble this is one fisherman w...If a fishery is in trouble this is one fisherman who would back a fish and game agency not allowing people to keep these fish since they could I suppose be caught on accident. However I will never understand people who wish to hook and torture a fish just to let it go. I have read studies ranging from 10-70 percent mortality rates on catch and release fish. I never bait a hook unless my intentionR. Gabe Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18044107159186060882noreply@blogger.com